Hi All, Several people said they couldn't get the pics, but some did, so I am supposing it was my server being down for a bit yesterday. You never know with my ISP. So for those who want to try again, here are the links.
Pat's Poison Ivy
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/pois.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/poisfc.jpg
And just for fun, the original doll, and the second one I did for Pat.
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/poistwin.jpg
Also for someone who asked for the doll I took to Convention that took first in her category, here is my "Baby Doe" Tabor, and for the record, I hadn't seen the MA Cissy Baby Doe before mine was done. I am sure they copied me! LOL
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babyd.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydf.jpg sorry this one is so big
And here is a link to the original photo that I used.
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydpc.jpg
Kathy M. Frivolities Antiques Ft. Collins, CO
Kathy thank you muchly for these links. I didn't even see the links when Pat posted about the doll she made for you (I was probably having a blonde moment..LOL). They are both beautiful. You've done a great job on both of them!
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wow! Now answer this for me, who is and what is the history of this Baby Doe? The name distantly rings a bell with me, but tell us the story. Also, how did you find this picture and were you specifically looking for this person or did you have an idea in mind and the picture satisfied a look you were hoping to capture in your doll?
And finally, would you consider interpreting the smaller version makeover into a larger 15.5" doll? I have a Gene that would definitely benefit from a Baby Doe look. Lovely work! Regards, Pat Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Mroczko mroczko@verinet.com To: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Broken links repost
Hi All, Several people said they couldn't get the pics, but some did, so I am supposing it was my server being down for a bit yesterday. You never know with my ISP. So for those who want to try again, here are the links.
Pat's Poison Ivy
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/pois.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/poisfc.jpg
And just for fun, the original doll, and the second one I did for Pat.https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/poistwin.jpg
Also for someone who asked for the doll I took to Convention that took first in her category, here is my "Baby Doe" Tabor, and for the record, I hadn't seen the MA Cissy Baby Doe before mine was done. I am sure they copied me! LOL
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babyd.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydf.jpg sorry this one is so big
And here is a link to the original photo that I used.
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydpc.jpg
Kathy M. Frivolities Antiques Ft. Collins, CO
Don't know how I missed seeing these pictures before... Kathy, she is stunning! Great job! and I think Pat is right; she would look great made as a Gene. Melissa
wow! Now answer this for me, who is and what is the history of this Baby Doe? The name distantly rings a bell with me, but tell us the story.
Also,
how did you find this picture and were you specifically looking for this person or did you have an idea in mind and the picture satisfied a look
you
were hoping to capture in your doll?
And finally, would you consider interpreting the smaller version makeover into a larger 15.5" doll? I have a Gene that would definitely benefit
from
a Baby Doe look. Lovely work! Regards, Pat Brown
Also for someone who asked for the doll I took to Convention that
took
first in her category, here is my "Baby Doe" Tabor, and for the record,
I
hadn't seen the MA Cissy Baby Doe before mine was done. I am sure they copied me! LOL
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babyd.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydf.jpg sorry this one is so big
And here is a link to the original photo that I used.
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydpc.jpg
Kathy M. Frivolities Antiques Ft. Collins, CO
Baby Doe was the name a rich, older, man gave his young wife after he divorced his 1st wife to marry miss young stuff. But they must have been really in love because she stuck with him as his fortunes failed. He had made his money in mining , I think silver....& when the mines went bust, so did they . But there was one mine left, maybe he named it Baby Doe for her, I don't remember...& he pleaded with her to never sell it & she never did . She live around it ,poorer than a church mouse & finally died , I think in old age & perhaps by freezing to death , I don't recall all of the story. But!! there were a series of restaurants called the Baby Doe Restaurants, which were' the' places to go when they 1st opened as they were fashioned as tho you were walking into a mine. There were several rooms that seated parties to themselves & a few that held a larger crowd & there was a bar. Each area looked 'old fashioned' with old pictures & memorabilia bordering on antiques as decorations. Very interesting place to visit. Ours, unfortunately , didn't have the best of food, it was merely mediocre, so you went for the atmoshpere not the food , a death knell for a restaurant, after awhile. Then a woman was kidnapped from there as she waited for her ride...& women didn't want to go there at all. Pat Hawkins
If you have a store called Big Lots in your area & are interested in another type of 11 1/2 in. dolls...they have sev. diff. sets of dolls called Tag Teams. . Each set consists of a male & female & are fire fighters, soldiers , police etc. Each face in each set is different, tho the male bodies are the same & female bodies the same. In one of the Fire fighter sets , the one where the female has blonde hair, the male looks quite James Bondish. In one of the soldiers sets, ( called Delta Force) the female looks older, as tho maybe in her 40's, now that's different. All have molded hair & the men are good looking, the females, well, have a diff. look. They've jointed wrists & ankles too. They're made in Hong KOng by M&C Toy Centre LTD & have a site http://www.mctoy.com.hk this site ( which is diff. from the mctoy site) shows the female's body articulation http://site36707.dellhost.com/reviews/powerteam_female.htm this part. site is also interesting in the other female action dolls they have, such as the one called Nikki, the I girls, Ebony is AA with white hair & rather muscular bod. This Blue Planet site has very interesting action dolls with lots of 'stuff' that comes with them this has clothes that look interesting & after you see the clothes, work backwards at the numbers given at the bottom & see the other dolls & clothes, part. the nurses uniforms at about number 11 http://www.smallblueplanet.com/content/container.asp?target=storeresults&...
Pat H/
The place was Colorado and the mine was called "The Matchless Mine." The pair had two daughters, Lillie and Silver. I think it was Silver who became an alcoholic and drug addict and lived with a series of worthless men before dying. Baby Doe froze to death. Years earlier she had divorced her first husband, supposedly for visiting a prostitute. But he had also been a lousy provider and there was some hint she had met Horace Tabor long before her divorce and had followed him to Leadville, possibly attracted by his wealth. She had also been involved with another man years earlier and some believe a stillborn son had been his. The fact that she stayed with Horace Tabor though his financial ruin speaks about a deeper character than her earlier history would imply. Robin Pat Hawkins jhawkins1320@charter.net wrote: Baby Doe was the name a rich, older, man gave his young wife after he divorced his 1st wife to marry miss young stuff. But they must have been really in love because she stuck with him as his fortunes failed. He had made his money in mining , I think silver....& when the mines went bust, so did they . But there was one mine left, maybe he named it Baby Doe for her, I don't remember...& he pleaded with her to never sell it & she never did . She live around it ,poorer than a church mouse & finally died , I think in old age & perhaps by freezing to death , I don't recall all of the story. But!! there were a series of restaurants called the Baby Doe Restaurants, which were' the' places to go when they 1st opened as they were fashioned as tho you were walking into a mine. There were several rooms that seated parties to themselves & a few that held a larger crowd & there was a bar. Each area looked 'old fashioned' with old pictures & memorabilia bordering on antiques as decorations. Very interesting place to visit. Ours, unfortunately , didn't have the best of food, it was merely mediocre, so you went for the atmoshpere not the food , a death knell for a restaurant, after awhile. Then a woman was kidnapped from there as she waited for her ride...& women didn't want to go there at all. Pat Hawkins
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Hi All, Pat had some of the details right on Baby Doe. She was orginally born Elizabeth, and came out west to marry her first hubby whose name was Doe. "Baby" was a nickname she acquired sometime early on. She met Horace Tabor while trying to make a go of first hubbys mines ( he wasn't too ambitious, and she actually worked claims herself) She and Horace became an item while living in Leadville. Horace was still married to Augusta Tabor at the time, and she ( Augusta) was really pretty much running all his business concerns at the time. Horace struck it big by outfitting a couple of prospectors heading into the hills to mine on the tick. ( Augusta would NEVER have approved) When they struck it big, Horace was part owner of the Matchless mine. One of the richest silver mines in Colorado. As his fortunes improved he basically moved in with Baby and began trying for a divorce. After several years of machinations, and a consistent refusal by Augusta, she finally gave in, and Horace and Baby were married in Washington while Horace was doing a short stint as a US Senator. They were shunned by polite society in Washington as being vulgar, and shunned in Denver because of a fond regaurd for Augusta in society there. In many ways she echos Molly Browns fight to become accepted. Horace was very open handed and funded many things in Denver including the Tabor Opera house. The current Tabor Center there is named for him. After the US moved to the gold standard, the silver market collapsed, and Tabor lost most of everything. He finished his final years as a postal inspector, a mostly honorary post that gave them a small stipend. The talk about Horace telling her to never give up the Matchless is legend, as by the time he died, he did not own it anymore. Baby did try and mine it herself, with leases from the owners, and finally just on their tolerance. She died there in the 30s probably by freezing to death.
I chose to do Baby Doe for the convention, as there was a Colorado Historical category, and I felt that "everyone" would do Molly Brown. Turns out I was the only one in the category. LOL. Anyway, I started looking for pics of Baby, and found a couple of books on her, and went ahead and read them, as I have always been interested in women in Colorado history, as you had to be a tough cookie to make it out here. I ended up almost wanting to do Augusta more as that woman had a will of iron, but Baby is the more romantic of the two. I also am very interested in Molly Brown ( as in the usinkable for those of you into the movies) and will be doing some research on her soon.
As for redoing Baby, I don't even want to talk about that stupic opera cloak. It was the most famous pic of her, so I decided I had to do it, but I had to trim a rabbit skin, and then each of the small black pieces are a single piece of black rabbit trimmed, sewed into the back and glued in place. She took well over a month of solid working and cussing to do, and I don't think I am up to it again. LOL We won't even visit the topic of the hoop skirt.
Also for some reason, I have become sort of disenchanted with the bigger dolls. They are much easier to sew for etc. but I just don't feel as free with them. Maybe the cost involved in the mistakes. LOL I love the challenge of interpreting something on the teeny tiny scale of Babs.
Ok, sorry for the novel and the silly history lesson, but I had a good time learing about her.
Kathy M.
At 02:08 PM 6/21/2002 -0400, you wrote:
wow! Now answer this for me, who is and what is the history of this Baby Doe? The name distantly rings a bell with me, but tell us the story. Also, how did you find this picture and were you specifically looking for this person or did you have an idea in mind and the picture satisfied a look you were hoping to capture in your doll?
And finally, would you consider interpreting the smaller version makeover into a larger 15.5" doll? I have a Gene that would definitely benefit from a Baby Doe look. Lovely work! Regards, Pat Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Mroczko mroczko@verinet.com To: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Broken links repost
Hi All, Several people said they couldn't get the pics, but some did, so I am supposing it was my server being down for a bit yesterday. You never know with my ISP. So for those who want to try again, here are the links.
Pat's Poison Ivy
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/pois.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/poisfc.jpg
And just for fun, the original doll, and the second one I did for Pat.https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/poistwin.jpg
Also for someone who asked for the doll I took to Convention that took first in her category, here is my "Baby Doe" Tabor, and for the record, I hadn't seen the MA Cissy Baby Doe before mine was done. I am sure they copied me! LOL
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babyd.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydf.jpg sorry this one is so big
And here is a link to the original photo that I used.
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydpc.jpg
Kathy M. Frivolities Antiques Ft. Collins, CO
Frivolities Antiques Ft. Collins, CO
Unfortunatley, when I visited Denver, I don't recall any encounters with the Baby Doe story, so the history lesson was very enjoyable. I did go to the Brown mansion and came away unimpressed by Molly. But she's the stuff of which legends are made, that's certain. I think your choice of doing Baby Doe for the Colorado history classification was excellent!
Now, I don't think you've thought enough about the challenges and the enlightening experience it would be to do a Baby Doe remake in the 15.5" size. The very fact that you are disenchanted with this size because of the mistakes being more costly is the precise reason Molly Brown or Augusta would do the job. Especially because the bigger doll remake would make money. Of course the smaller doll would make money, too; think of terms of selling your doll to Franklin Mint and creating a new trunk doll line. Or think about all of the makeover artists who use the larger dolls and are selling on ebay--in the thousands of dollars. Let's think in terms of paying for Grayson's college education. Let's think outside of the box and let's think about all the stupid Gene dolls that are out there that need new looks that only you can create.
Anyway, I've thought a lot about it for you, LOL! Regards, Pat Brown
----- Original Message ----- From: Mroczko mroczko@verinet.com To: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Baby Doe
As for redoing Baby, I don't even want to talk about that stupic operacloak. It was the most famous pic of her, so I decided I had to do it,
but
I had to trim a rabbit skin, and then each of the small black pieces are a single piece of black rabbit trimmed, sewed into the back and glued in place. She took well over a month of solid working and cussing to do, and I don't think I am up to it again. LOL We won't even visit the topic of the hoop skirt.
Also for some reason, I have become sort of disenchanted with thebigger dolls. They are much easier to sew for etc. but I just don't feel as free with them. Maybe the cost involved in the mistakes. LOL I love the challenge of interpreting something on the teeny tiny scale of Babs.
Ok, sorry for the novel and the silly history lesson, but I had a good time learing about her.
Kathy M.
At 02:08 PM 6/21/2002 -0400, you wrote:
wow! Now answer this for me, who is and what is the history of this Baby Doe? The name distantly rings a bell with me, but tell us the story.
Also,
how did you find this picture and were you specifically looking for this person or did you have an idea in mind and the picture satisfied a look
you
were hoping to capture in your doll?
And finally, would you consider interpreting the smaller version makeover into a larger 15.5" doll? I have a Gene that would definitely benefit
from
a Baby Doe look. Lovely work! Regards, Pat Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Mroczko mroczko@verinet.com To: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Broken links repost
Hi All, Several people said they couldn't get the pics, but some did, so I
am
supposing it was my server being down for a bit yesterday. You never
know
with my ISP. So for those who want to try again, here are the links.
Pat's Poison Ivy
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/pois.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/poisfc.jpg
And just for fun, the original doll, and the second one I did for
Pat.
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/poistwin.jpg
Also for someone who asked for the doll I took to Convention that
took
first in her category, here is my "Baby Doe" Tabor, and for the record,
I
hadn't seen the MA Cissy Baby Doe before mine was done. I am sure they copied me! LOL
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babyd.jpg https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydf.jpg sorry this one is so big
And here is a link to the original photo that I used.
https://frii.com/~mroczko/temp/babydpc.jpg
Kathy M. Frivolities Antiques Ft. Collins, CO
Frivolities Antiques Ft. Collins, CO
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