Well, I think that this Fashion Forward series represents Candi as a woman of high class, taste, and style. Certainly there are lots of pretty dolls out there, lots of things for different tastes but in my opinion not many dolls match up to these. Living in South Florida I am lucky enough to be around the wealthy and beautiful women, the super models, the famous people, etc. It is very rare that I see a doll that the hair, make-up, clothing, acessories all together represent (what I consider to be) impecible style. I think that Jason has done a remarkable job designing this collection of dolls. Then again, I know that a lot of people won't see what I do in these dolls. And, I would like to see if the quality of the clothing lives up to my expectations.
Randall
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:31:04 -0400 "Pat Brown" nqsqurtz@staffnet.com writes:
For my money's worth, the makeup is reminiscent of the Asian Candi done by Mikelman in 1996. What I mean by that is that makeup was heavy and made a sensation because it was so obviously painted. Maybe the blue and pink tones of the eyeshadow were over the top making the makeup was a bit controversial for the times.
So, when I see the screening on this particular Candi, I'm not overwhelmed with awe, but I find what I see appealing. I would like to see the African American with this screening. Is that photo available, too?
What is the marketing direction that Candis are taking to set them apart from Barbie Collectibles' dolls? What is the collector that is being targeted? Rene and Robin, both, refer to something called the "adult" collector. What defines an adult collector and why would Candi appeal to this kind of collector that Silkstone Barbies wouldn't? Or why do both kinds of dolls appeal to "adult" collectors? Just who and what is an adult collector of FASHION dolls?
Rene points out that the appeal these Candi dolls have is that they have an "adult couture look that is different from more mundane looking dolls." Is it possible that Candi dolls have never represented the mundane by virtue of the ethnicities they've tried to capture? What else about them makes them less mundane?
I ask all these questions because my mind's eye is not so attuned to nuances as it once was, and I'm hard-pressed to fully experience Candis today. It could be that the way the dolls wowed me in 1996 has become mundane to me. So I don't mean to throw cold water on any other collector's enthusiasn for the dolls. How do any of you original Candi collectors maintain your excitement for the dolls? And I know there a many of you still on this List that can answer that question. Regards, Pat Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rene O'Brien renendollz@yahoo.com To: pa_nz@ pa_nz@yahoo.com; Candi Dolls candichat@dolls.de Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Re: look!
I think in this case Integrity is trying something new, instead of giving us what we've seen before. The line is fantastic, IMO, I am picking two up when they arrive in the States. They dolls have a very adult "couture" look about them that is different from the more mundane looking dolls we've seen before. The amount of detail, and quality, the hair styles, and even the packaging of the New Integrity Candis are something not previously seen on the Candi line before Integrity took over, and I am glad to see our favorite gal being raised to a whole new level!
Rene --- "pa_nz@" pa_nz@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for sharing this, Rene. It's always good to look at dolls that have been photographed so well. The overall appearance of this dolls is quite wonderful, it obviously has had a lot of thought and artistry put into its making. She has a wonderful sophisticated and glamorous look that appeals to the adult collector, but frankly I'm not real crazy about the exaggerated eye make-up. What do the rest of you think? Will any of you buy her, and if so, I assume the eye make-up would be part of the appeal, but why? Best to all Robin
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I agree Randall. I am interested in the more unique "couture" look in dolls. For example I love the Mibili Barbie doll by Byron Lars. That is a doll people seem to either love or hate. I think while these new Candis are not as "out there" as the Mibili Barbie they certainly have that same appeal, a very mature, yet unique look. Also it looks like a lot of work has been put into the design of the whole doll, concept, packaging, etc, and I can really appreciate that.The styling, as Randall puts it, is truly impecable and rarely seen nowadays on the fashion doll market. I am really glad to see Integrity/Jason trying something new with their Candi dolls, I am so tired of that retro stuff that keeps on being redone every year by Hamilton/Mikelman. It is time someone does something different, IMHO. Hey, people didn't like Picasso's work way back then...and look at them now....
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--- randall90@juno.com wrote:
Well, I think that this Fashion Forward series represents Candi as a woman of high class, taste, and style. Certainly there are lots of pretty dolls out there, lots of things for different tastes but in my opinion not many dolls match up to these. Living in South Florida I am lucky enough to be around the wealthy and beautiful women, the super models, the famous people, etc. It is very rare that I see a doll that the hair, make-up, clothing, acessories all together represent (what I consider to be) impecible style. I think that Jason has done a remarkable job designing this collection of dolls. Then again, I know that a lot of people won't see what I do in these dolls. And, I would like to see if the quality of the clothing lives up to my expectations.
Randall
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:31:04 -0400 "Pat Brown" nqsqurtz@staffnet.com writes:
For my money's worth, the makeup is reminiscent of
the Asian Candi
done by Mikelman in 1996. What I mean by that is that
makeup was heavy and
made a sensation because it was so obviously painted.
Maybe the blue and
pink tones of the eyeshadow were over the top making
the makeup was a bit
controversial for the times.
So, when I see the screening on this particular
Candi, I'm not
overwhelmed with awe, but I find what I see appealing. I
would like to see the
African American with this screening. Is that photo
available, too?
What is the marketing direction that Candis are
taking to set them
apart from Barbie Collectibles' dolls? What is the
collector that is
being targeted? Rene and Robin, both, refer to
something called the
"adult" collector. What defines an adult collector and
why would Candi
appeal to this kind of collector that Silkstone Barbies
wouldn't? Or why do
both kinds of dolls appeal to "adult" collectors? Just
who and what is
an adult collector of FASHION dolls?
Rene points out that the appeal these Candi dolls
have is that they
have an "adult couture look that is different from more
mundane looking
dolls." Is it possible that Candi dolls have never
represented the mundane by
virtue of the ethnicities they've tried to capture? What
else about them
makes them less mundane?
I ask all these questions because my mind's eye is
not so attuned to
nuances as it once was, and I'm hard-pressed to fully
experience Candis
today. It could be that the way the dolls wowed me in 1996
has become mundane
to me. So I don't mean to throw cold water on any other
collector's
enthusiasn for the dolls. How do any of you original Candi
collectors maintain
your excitement for the dolls? And I know there a many
of you still on
this List that can answer that question. Regards, Pat Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rene O'Brien renendollz@yahoo.com To: pa_nz@ pa_nz@yahoo.com; Candi Dolls
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Re: look!
I think in this case Integrity is trying
something
new, instead of giving us what we've seen
before. The
line is fantastic, IMO, I am picking two up when
they
arrive in the States. They dolls have a very
adult
"couture" look about them that is different from
the
more mundane looking dolls we've seen before. The amount of detail, and quality, the hair
styles,
and even the packaging of the New Integrity
Candis are
something not previously seen on the Candi line
before
Integrity took over, and I am glad to see our
favorite
gal being raised to a whole new level!
Rene --- "pa_nz@" pa_nz@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for sharing this, Rene. It's always
good to
look at dolls that have been photographed so
well.
The overall appearance of this dolls is quite wonderful, it obviously has had a lot of
thought and
artistry put into its making. She has a
wonderful
sophisticated and glamorous look that appeals
to the
adult collector, but frankly I'm not real
crazy
about the exaggerated eye make-up. What do
the rest
of you think? Will any of you buy her, and if
so, I
assume the eye make-up would be part of the
appeal,
but why? Best to all Robin
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So, am I to understand that you see these new Candis as representative of a modern, real-life woman of impeccable style that many of us could actually aspire to achieve? I certainly don't think I could ever be like a Silkstone Barbie or want to wear "vintage" style, but I can sure see myself wanting to look and be very Palm Beach. Oh, to be! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: randall90@juno.com To: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Re: look! And Many Questions from Pat Brown
Well, I think that this Fashion Forward series represents Candi as a woman of high class, taste, and style. Certainly there are lots of pretty dolls out there, lots of things for different tastes but in my opinion not many dolls match up to these. Living in South Florida I am lucky enough to be around the wealthy and beautiful women, the super models, the famous people, etc. It is very rare that I see a doll that the hair, make-up, clothing, acessories all together represent (what I consider to be) impecible style. I think that Jason has done a remarkable job designing this collection of dolls. Randall
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:31:04 -0400 "Pat Brown" nqsqurtz@staffnet.com writes:
For my money's worth, the makeup is reminiscent of the Asian Candi done by Mikelman in 1996. What I mean by that is that makeup was heavy and made a sensation because it was so obviously painted. Maybe the blue and pink tones of the eyeshadow were over the top making the makeup was a bit controversial for the times.
So, when I see the screening on this particular Candi, I'm not overwhelmed with awe, but I find what I see appealing. I would like to see the African American with this screening. Is that photo available, too?
What is the marketing direction that Candis are taking to set them apart from Barbie Collectibles' dolls? What is the collector that is being targeted? Rene and Robin, both, refer to something called the "adult" collector. What defines an adult collector and why would Candi appeal to this kind of collector that Silkstone Barbies wouldn't? Or why do both kinds of dolls appeal to "adult" collectors? Just who and what is an adult collector of FASHION dolls?
Rene points out that the appeal these Candi dolls have is that they have an "adult couture look that is different from more mundane looking dolls." Is it possible that Candi dolls have never represented the mundane by virtue of the ethnicities they've tried to capture? What else about them makes them less mundane?
I ask all these questions because my mind's eye is not so attuned to nuances as it once was, and I'm hard-pressed to fully experience Candis today. It could be that the way the dolls wowed me in 1996 has become mundane to me. So I don't mean to throw cold water on any other collector's enthusiasn for the dolls. How do any of you original Candi collectors maintain your excitement for the dolls? And I know there a many of you still on this List that can answer that question. Regards, Pat Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rene O'Brien renendollz@yahoo.com To: pa_nz@ pa_nz@yahoo.com; Candi Dolls candichat@dolls.de Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Re: look!
I think in this case Integrity is trying something new, instead of giving us what we've seen before. The line is fantastic, IMO, I am picking two up when they arrive in the States. They dolls have a very adult "couture" look about them that is different from the more mundane looking dolls we've seen before. The amount of detail, and quality, the hair styles, and even the packaging of the New Integrity Candis are something not previously seen on the Candi line before Integrity took over, and I am glad to see our favorite gal being raised to a whole new level!
Rene --- "pa_nz@" pa_nz@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for sharing this, Rene. It's always good to look at dolls that have been photographed so well. The overall appearance of this dolls is quite wonderful, it obviously has had a lot of thought and artistry put into its making. She has a wonderful sophisticated and glamorous look that appeals to the adult collector, but frankly I'm not real crazy about the exaggerated eye make-up. What do the rest of you think? Will any of you buy her, and if so, I assume the eye make-up would be part of the appeal, but why? Best to all Robin
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