September 2003 - Gpc

Inefficiency of `mod'
by Emil Jerabek 26 Oct '10

26 Oct '10

Hi, during some debugging I noticed that GPC generates very hairy code for the `mod' operator with signed arguments. A closer look revealed that the code contains a lot of branching on conditions which can be determined on compile time, and most surprisingly, the value of X mod Y is recomputed _twice_, if X is negative. (I've attached a commented assembler dump.) This may be partially a back-end problem (CSE?), but I feel there's something wrong in the relevant code in gpc-common.c (build_pascal_binary_op) as well. `exp1 mod exp2' gets translated into something like exp2 <= 0 ? error : exp1 >= 0 ? exp1 mod exp2 : ((-exp1) mod exp2) == 0 ? 0 : exp2 - (-exp1) mod exp2 This arranges that both arguments supplied to the "internal mod" are non-negative, but this information is not passed on -- the arguments are still declared as signed types, which apparently makes the back-end to produce the mess it does. I've done a little test: the following replacement for `mod', which differs from the built-in one essentially just by the type-casts to `Cardinal', inline operator xmod (X, Y: Integer) = Z: Integer; begin if Y <= 0 then RuntimeError (714); if X >= 0 then Z := Cardinal (X) mod Y else begin Z := Cardinal (-X) mod Y; if Z <> 0 then Z := Y - Z end end; indeed generates a better code, it measures about 15% faster for positive X and more than twice faster for negative X. YMMV. If this is possible in user code, it should work in the compiler internals as well :) The result type of the whole `mod' expression looks dubious too. IIUIC, `exp1 mod exp2' inherits the type of exp1. Now, the result of `mod' is guaranteed to be nonnegative and to fit in the type of exp2 (or more precisely, it is in 0 .. High (type of (exp2)) - 1), whereas it needn't have anything to do with the type of exp1: consider var X, Z: Integer; Y: LongInt; begin X := -8; Y := High (LongInt); Z := X mod Y { -> overflow } end Or am I missing something? Emil (BTW, where is fjf434c.pas?)

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-mlong-double-128
by Adriaan van Os 13 May '05

13 May '05

The following produces an internal compiler error: [G4:~/gnu/testgpc/adriaan] adriaan% cat compare.pas program Compare; procedure R ( var r1, r2: real); begin if r1 <> r2 then r1:= r2 - 1.0 end; begin end. [G4:~/gnu/testgpc/adriaan] adriaan% gpc -o compare compare.pas -mlong-double-128 compare.pas: In procedure `R': compare.pas:6: error: unrecognizable insn: (insn 26 34 27 2 0x0 (set (reg:SI 126) (subreg:SI (reg:TF 33 f1) 0)) -1 (nil) (nil)) compare.pas:6: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2175 It may be, of course, that the Darwin target doesn't properly support the -mlong-double-128 PowerPC processor option. If it's a gcc back-end bug, I can report it to Bugzilla. However, the "real" type used is 64-bit on the Darwin target, with or without -mlong-double-128 ... The option only changes the size of the "longreal" and "extended" types to 128-bit. Regards, Adriaan van Os [G4:~/gnu/testgpc/adriaan] adriaan% gpc -v Reading specs from /Developer/Pascal/gpc33d7/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-apple-darwin/3.3/specs Configured with: ../gpc-3.3d7/configure --enable-languages=pascal,c --enable-threads=posix --prefix=/Developer/Pascal/gpc33d7 --target=powerpc-apple-darwin Thread model: posix gpc version 20030507, based on gcc-3.3

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gpc-20030830 released
by Frank Heckenbach 13 May '04

13 May '04

I've uploaded a new alpha to <http://www.gnu-pascal.de/alpha/>. IMPORTANT LICENSING NOTE: Due to the recent disputes over the GNU Free Documentation License by some parties, we made a detailed investigation of the license status of GPC's documentation. Thereby it turned out that the change to the FDL last November might not have been done absolutely correctly, since neither permission of some earlier authors nor of the FSF as the copyright holder was obtained for that change. To avoid any possible problems resulting from that, we decided to rewind the complete documentation to the state of 2002-11-27, the last version licensed under the GPL, and redo all later changes with explicit permission of the respective authors under the GPL. As the result, the whole documentation is now licensed under the GPL (again), and the license status of GPC versions 20021128, 20030209, 20030323 and 20030507 remains dubious. (Note: This affects only the documentation. The compiler itself has not changed its license and is therefore safe. Neither are programs compiled by such a GPC version affected.) I am not a lawyer, so I can't give you any advice what to do if you have used such a version, but my personal suggestion (also for technical reasons) is to change to the current release as soon as possible. Therefore, we have removed the problematic distributions from our server. Those who have made available binaries of one of the problematic versions are suggested to do the same (which, I suppose, they will do anyway, replacing them by the new release). For the same reason, we do not offer a patch against gpc-20030507, so you will have to download the whole GPC distribution to upgrade. (A patch against gpc-20021111 would be safe, but probably rather large and not worth the effort, since many users might not have gpc-20021111 handy anymore.) To avoid similar problems, we do not plan another attempt to change the license in the nearer future. It may be required for GCC integration someday, but not until the disputes over the FDL are finally settled. If you have any suggestions regarding these matters, please contact Peter Gerwinski or me by private mail. BUILD NOTE: This GPC version requires quite a recent version of Bison. (And building CVS Bison again requires bleeding edge versions of some other utilities.) Therefore, I have included the Bison generated files in the distribution (also in the "minimal" distribution), so you won't need Bison at all unless you remove them or change parse.y. New features: * `CompilerAssert' (fjf904*.pas) * options `--[no]-assert' renamed to `--[no]-assertions' (necessary to avoid a conflict with GCC) (@) * new options `--[no-]range-checking', also as short compiler directives `{$R+}'/`{$R-}' (default is on) (C, E, B, @) * new options `--[no-]methods-always-virtual' (fjf903*.pas) (M) * new options `--[no-]pointer-arithmetic', `--[no-]cstrings-as-strings', `-W[no-]absolute' (all of which `--[no-]extended-syntax' implies) * `Integer2StringBase', `Integer2StringBaseExt' * new constants `NumericBaseDigits', `NumericBaseDigitsUpper' * allow assigning, passing by value and returning objects, with assignments of an object of derived type to one of a base type (chief35[ab].pas, fjf451*.pas, fjf696[ef].pas, fjf884*.pas), BP compatible except for a bug in the BP feature itself (see the comment in `p/test/fjf451h.pas') (B) * new options `-W[no-]object-assignment' * warn (except in `--borland-pascal') if a virtual method overrides a non-virtual one (chief52*.pas) * warn when an non-abstract object type has virtual methods, but no constructor (chief51*.pas) * `--maximum-field-alignment' does not apply to `packed' records * `ArcSin', `ArcCos' Note: Range checking options are recognized, but range checking in general is *not* yet implemented. Only some special cases are checked, such as sets and dynamic subranges (subranges in local declarations and array slice access). Fixed bugs: * open internal files with `O_EXCL' on `Rewrite' (as a protection against symlink attacks) * `pow' and `**' are EP conformant now (in particular `x pow y = (1 div x) pow (Ây)' if `y' is negative and `x <> 0') (fjf908.pas) * `--enable-keyword'/`--disable-keyword' on the command-line makes GPC crash (david5.pas) * GPC accepts, but ignores, options with invalid suffixes (e.g. `--delphi-pascal') * wrong type-error when applying `Inc' to a type-casted pointer (peter3.pas) * with range checking enabled, check dynamic subrange/array size (fjf222*.pas, fjf813*.pas, fjf900*.pas) * GPC allows modification of conformant array bounds, result of `High'/`Low' etc. (fjf897*.pas) * don't allow linker names starting with a digit (fjf894.pas) * `SubStr' with constant arguments doesn't work in constants (gale1.pas) * handle `BitSizeOf' correctly for packed array fields, don't allow `SizeOf' on them (fjf891*.pas) * System: `BPReal' must be a packed record <3EE8A26D.C919BE7D(a)flexim.de> * schema types with initializers (drf1.pas, fjf886*.pas) * `Return' doesn't work for sets (fjf885.pas) * bug with arrays as fields of `packed' records (waldek6.pas) * don't allow duplicate imports in a module interface and implementation (nick1b.pas) * compensate for parser read-ahead in the lexer, so compiler directives don't become effective too early and error messages refer more closely to the correct source position (still not quite correct due to issues with Bison) * bug when dividing two integers with `/' (fjf481.pas) * don't allow `absolute' in type definitions * subranges with variable limits (couper[23].pas) Frank -- Frank Heckenbach, frank(a)g-n-u.de, http://fjf.gnu.de/, 7977168E GPC To-Do list, latest features, fixed bugs: http://www.gnu-pascal.de/todo.html GPC download signing key: 51FF C1F0 1A77 C6C2 4482 4DDC 117A 9773 7F88 1707

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Protected Var parameter bug
by Gale Paeper 11 May '04

11 May '04

While investigating a different issue, I found what I think is a problem with GPC's enforcement of Extended Pascal's actual parameter requirements for formal protected var parameters. The problem is that GPC allows function-access expressions to be used as the actual parameter for a formal protected var parameter and the function-access isn't a variable-access as required by Extended Pascal. For formal variable parameters, Extended Pascal requires the actual-parameter ... "shall be variable-access" (see paragraph 6.7.3.3) regardless of whether 'protected' is used in the formal parameter declaration. ('Protected' does not change the requirements for the actual-parameter. It just requires that no statements within the procedure/function shall threaten a protected formal-parameter identifier.) While GPC doesn't allow function-access expression actual-parameters for non-protected formal variable parameters, it incorrectly allows function-access expression actual-parameters to be used for protected formal variable parameters. A short test program that demonstrates the problem: {$extended-pascal} program ProtectVarParameterTest(input, output); var globalInt : Integer; function GetInteger: Integer; begin GetInteger := 1; end; procedure DoSomethingProtectedVar(protected var anInt : Integer); begin globalInt := anInt; end; procedure DoSomethingVar(var anInt : Integer); begin globalInt := anInt; end; begin globalInt := 0; DoSomethingProtectedVar(GetInteger); {WRONG} writeln('FAIL'); {DoSomethingVar(GetInteger); writeln('FAIL');} end. With the last two statements commented out, GPC compiles the program with no errors and running the compiled program produces and output of: FAIL. Uncommenting out the last two statements, GPC doesn't compile the program and generates error messages: ProtectVarParameterTest.pas: In main program: ProtectVarParameterTest.pas:26: error: type mismatch in argument 1 of `DoSomethingVar' ProtectVarParameterTest.pas:18: error: routine declaration (Note - the error messages in this test example are pretty obtuse. In the program where I initial found the problem, the error message of "error: reference expected, value given" is much clearer as to what the real cause of the problem is.) The command line and compiler information used on both versions of the test program were: gpc --automake -v ProtectVarParameterTest.pas -o ProtectVarParameterTest Reading specs from /Developer/Pascal/gpc33d6/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-apple-darwin/3.3/specs Configured with: ../gpc-3.3d6/configure --enable-languages=pascal,c --enable-threads=posix --prefix=/Developer/Pascal/gpc33d6 --target=powerpc-apple-darwin Thread model: posix gpc version 20030507, based on gcc-3.3 /Developer/Pascal/gpc33d6/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-apple-darwin/3.3/gpcpp -D__BITS_BIG_ENDIAN__=1 -D__BYTES_BIG_ENDIAN__=1 -D__WORDS_BIG_ENDIAN__=1 -D__NEED_NO_ALIGNMENT__=1 -quiet -v -iprefix /usr/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-apple-darwin/3.3/ -D__GNUC__=3 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=3 -D__GNUC_PATCHLEVEL__=0 -D__DYNAMIC__ ProtectVarParameterTest.pas -fautomake -famtmpfile=/var/tmp//cc2sio8x.gpa /var/tmp//ccmxZG89.i GNU Pascal Compiler PreProcessor version 20030507, based on gcc-3.3 (Darwin/PowerPC) /Developer/Pascal/gpc33d6/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-apple-darwin/3.3/gpc1 /var/tmp//ccmxZG89.i -fPIC -quiet -dumpbase ProtectVarParameterTest.pas -auxbase ProtectVarParameterTest -version -fautomake -famtmpfile=/var/tmp//cc2sio8x.gpa -o /var/tmp//ccPyvMwU.s GNU Pascal version is actually 20030507, based on gcc-3.3 GNU Pascal version 3.3 (powerpc-apple-darwin) compiled by GNU C version 3.3. GGC heuristics: --param ggc-min-expand=30 --param ggc-min-heapsize=4096 Gale Paeper gpaeper(a)empirenet.com

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Status of GPC?
by Gerrit P. Haase 20 Oct '03

20 Oct '03

Hallo, what is the status of GPC? Is it possible to build it with GCC 3.3.1? i would like to provide a precompiled version of GPC for Cygwin with the latest GCC. Are there still some patches which I need to apply (i.e. regarding the use on Cygwin)? Gerrit -- =^..^=

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Compiler bugs or missunderstanding GPC ?
by ThomasM 05 Oct '03

05 Oct '03

Hi ! I've installed mingw32 with gcc 3.2.3 and gpc 20030507 and I am in serious trouble while translating bp-projects to gpc. While compiling I get several "previos declaration does not match" errors within the same unit or across different ones, although the syntax is allright. (An asm-free translation of objects.pas successful compiled only after moving "uses dos" from the "implementation" to the "interface" part) Then there are several "type mismatch" errors in functions with one var-parameter, which I cannot mark as protected. (Someone mentioned this allready, but still noone has replied to it) To get progress in translation I start to compile only single units without linking and then I was fooled sometimes by this error message "--amtmpfile not given". Some units will being compiled and other not like ------------------------------ Unit tv_spr; Interface Const spOk = 1; spAbbruch = 2; spJa = 3; spNein = 4; implementation end. ----------------------------------------- the commandline I used is gpc -c -s --no-typed-address --extended-syntax --ignore-function-results --io-checking --no-stack-checking -march=i486 -mcpu=i486 --unit-path=g: \status\entwicklung\mdmprot\gpc\mdtv_may;g:\status\entwicklung\mdmprot\gpc\md_may;g:\status\entwicklung\mdmprot\gpc\source -Ig:\status\entwicklung \mdmprot\gpc\mdtv_may --cidefine=GPC_USE --cidefine=DPMI --cidefine=NOASM --cidefine=test --cidefine=USE_PDCURSES -- cidefine=LINODATA --cidefine=HARDDUMMY --executable-file-name unit.pas Greetings, Thomas

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[churchgrowthideas] woldview
by Dave Anderson 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

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[churchgrowthideas] pomo probs
by Dave Anderson 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

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Re: [churchgrowthideas] pomo probs
by Angelo Giovas 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

Just for clarification: Is this email from Dave Anderson or someone else? Angelo Giovas (Rev.) North Shore Baptist, Church Queensland, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Anderson" <daveandand(a)cox-internet.com> To: "Churchgrowthideas@Yahoogroups. Com (E-mail)" <Churchgrowthideas(a)Yahoogroups.Com> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:28 AM Subject: [churchgrowthideas] pomo probs > My problem right now is that I do not feel called to any particular > expression of an institutional church, but I feel called by God to preach and teach and > minister to God's gospel. I feel a definite prophetic leaning in my calling, > but I have come to realize that prophets can make very unsuccessful pastors > in churches that are rooted/rutted/embedded/comfortably sleeping in their own > traditions without any connection to its purpose in the gospel scheme of > things. Sometimes I feel like most of my friends are on the fringes of the church > (or not in it) and all my enemies are. I'm not afraid of speaking out to a > post modern world; I am afraid the modern remnant will castrate me before I can. > > WANNA SEE OUR BEAGLES? > HYPERLINK http://www.animalfrequency.org/breeder_page.php?email=daveandand@cs.com http://www.animalfrequency.org/breeder/539 > HYPERLINK http://beaubasin.dogbreedersdirectory.com/ http://beaubasin.dogbreedersdirectory.com/ > TAKE A PEEK. THEY SURE ARE CUTE > ________________________________________________________________ > > WHERE ARE THE FISH BITING? > COME JOIN OUR GROUP AND SEE > ITS FREEEEEEEEE! > HYPERLINK http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe/southlafishreport http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe/southlafishreport > HYPERLINK mailto:southlafishreport-subscribe@yahoogroups.com southlafishreport-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > __________________________________________________________ > > LOVE A GOOD JOKE? > JOIN FUNNYBOZ AND GET A NEW ONE EVERY DAY > SEND AN EMAIL TO > HYPERLINK mailto:funnybonz-subscribe@yahoogroups.com funnybonz-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > HYPERLINK http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe/funnybonz http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe/funnybonz > _____________________________________________________ > > WANNA HELP YOUR CHURCH GROW? > COMPARE NOTES WITH OTHER CHRISTIANS/PASTORS? > HYPERLINK http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe/churchgrowthideas http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe/churchgrowthideas > churchgrowthlist > HYPERLINK mailto:churchgrowthideas-subscribe@yahoogroups.com churchgrowthideas-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > ITS FREEEEEEEEEE > TRY THE DIGESTED VERSION > __________________________________________________________ > > REV. DAVID ANDERSON 506 SECOND ST. > RAYNE, LA 70578 > 337 334 4432 > HYPERLINK mailto:DAVEANDAND@COX-INTERNET.COM DAVEANDAND(a)COX-INTERNET.COM > 775 822 0377 FAX > IM DAVEANDAND > MSN MESSENGER HYPERLINK mailto:DAVEANDAND@CS.COM DAVEANDAND(a)CS.COM > YAHOO MESSENGER HYPERLINK mailto:DAVEANDAND@YAHOO.COM DAVEANDAND(a)YAHOO.COM > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 9/18/2003 > > > > > The Church Growth Ideas list is intended to help members churches grow in attendance. Pastors and lay leaders are welcome to contribute. To subscribe send an e-mail to: churchgrowthideas-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com or go to > http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe.cgi/churchgrowthideas > > To Unsubscribe send an e-mail to: churchgrowthideas-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/8QUslB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> The Church Growth Ideas list is intended to help members churches grow in attendance. Pastors and lay leaders are welcome to contribute. To subscribe send an e-mail to: churchgrowthideas-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com or go to http://www.yahoogroups.com/subscribe.cgi/churchgrowthideas To Unsubscribe send an e-mail to: churchgrowthideas-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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two (small) bugs and one strange behavior
by Jean-Pierre Vial 28 Sep '03

28 Sep '03

I upgraded yesterday my gpc to the latest release. Compilation of the full gcc.3.3.1 and gpc together was OK (linux, Suse 8.1) The strange behavior: when I build a pascal project with my own units, and the crt, dos ... units with automake, I get dos.gpi, dos.o, crt.gpi etc... in the local directory. These files are not the same as in the /usr/local....../units directory (very different sizes) If I delete the dos.gpi etc... in the local directory and do not use automake I get the error message dos.gpi must be recompiled. The (small) bugs: when I compile the units in /usr/local/..../3.3.1/units I get two errors a missing header file rxposix.h in regexc.c so regexp.pas is not built (I don't care) in ports.pas there is a test {$ifndef __i386__} this test fails on my machine (identified as i686 by the configure script) replacing the test by __i686__ does not help if I suppress the test, the compilation is OK -- Jean-Pierre Vial

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